[Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI Ordering and Sorting Issue

Wed May 11 03:37:01 EDT 2022

Hello, again.
We’ve tried as Andrew kindly suggested.
However, it didn’t work as well as expected…

We think using “clean_for_sort; IndexerCommon” may interfere when “title” is set to “title_sort”.
“clean_for_sort” looks eliminating anything except alphabets and numbers when sorting.
It would affect not only Japanese character but also any non-alphabet characters, such as Hangul or Cyrillic, we suppose.

We also wonder what order is applied when “title_sort” is empty.

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Thanks,
Hitomi

Hitomi Matsuyama, Audiovisual Archivist

Nakanoshima Museum of Art, Osaka
4-3-1 Nakanoshima, Kita-ku
Osaka 530-0005 JAPAN
tel. +81 (0)6 64 79 05 58
email. matsuyama-h at nakka-art.jp<mailto:matsuyama-h at nakka-art.jp>

From: archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org <archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org> On Behalf Of Andrew Morrison
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 8:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI Ordering and Sorting Issue

I forgot to mention that you probably have to re-index after changing schema.xml and reloading the core.

Andrew.

On 28/04/2022 10:51, 松山 ひとみ wrote:
Thanks again Andrew!
We’ll try applying what you gave to our current AS.

Hitomi

From: archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org<mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org> <archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org> On Behalf Of Andrew Morrison
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Subject: Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI Ordering and Sorting Issue

If you're using the schema.xml that came with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1 in your external Solr 8.11, then it will still define the "sort_icu" fieldType as an instance of the solr.TextField class. If you look below that, there is a commented-out alternative fieldType definition which is an instance of solr.ICUCollationField. ArchivesSpace 3.2.0 has changed to that (because it no longer has to support the previously-built-in Solr 4.10) but you don't need to upgrade to it, you can just edit your schema.xml, then reload the Solr core. See the link in my previous email for help on how to set that up to be optimized for Japanese characters.

Andrew.

On 28/04/2022 09:44, 松山 ひとみ wrote:
Thank you Andrew!

Our IT says we’ve already been using an external Solr 8.11 with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1, not the one built-in.
We’re thinking of upgrading our AS to 3.2.0. Do you think we will get a better result?

Hitomi

From: archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org<mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org> <archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org> On Behalf Of Andrew Morrison
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Subject: Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI Ordering and Sorting Issue

Are you using the built-in Solr search engine that comes with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1? If so, your sorting problems could be because it uses a very old version, because newer ones aren't compatible with the method of embedding it in a bigger application. But there is the option to configure ArchivesSpace to use an external Solr service:

https://archivesspace.github.io/tech-docs/provisioning/solr.html

That allows you to run a more up-to-date version, which would enable use of the solr.ICUCollationField class for sort fields. That can be adjusted to sort different languages according to their own sorting rules, as described here:

https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_11/language-analysis.html#unicode-collation

ArchivesSpace 3.2.0 removes the built-in Solr, so running an external Solr service will be necessary if you upgrade in the future.

As for adding the option to sort on identifiers, I don't think there is a configuration option or simple interface for adding them. But it would probably be possible to develop a plug-in to override certain Ruby methods in the core code to do it.

Andrew.

On 27/04/2022 11:04, 松山 ひとみ wrote:
Hello all,

We’ve been stuck in the “ordering and sorting” issue in [~/repositories/resources]. Our AS is version 3.0.1.
Presumably, because we use Japanese Character, our resource list cannot be displayed in a right, alphabetical order when sorted by Title.

Could we add Identifier to the category of sorting; Relevance/Title(Asc/Desc)/Year(Asc/Desc), as alternative?
We’d very much appreciate you helping solve our issue!

All the best,
Hitomi Matsuyama, Audiovisual Archivist

Nakanoshima Museum of Art, Osaka
4-3-1 Nakanoshima, Kita-ku
Osaka 530-0005 JAPAN
tel. +81 (0)6 64 79 05 58
email. matsuyama-h at nakka-art.jp<mailto:matsuyama-h at nakka-art.jp>

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