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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello, again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We’ve tried as Andrew kindly suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">However, it didn’t work as well as expected…
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We think using “clean_for_sort; IndexerCommon” may interfere when “title” is set to “title_sort”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“clean_for_sort” looks eliminating anything except alphabets and numbers when sorting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It would affect not only Japanese character but also any non-alphabet characters, such as Hangul or Cyrillic, we suppose.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We also wonder what order is applied when “title_sort” is empty.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hitomi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hitomi Matsuyama, Audiovisual Archivist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Nakanoshima Museum of Art, Osaka<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">4-3-1 Nakanoshima, Kita-ku<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Osaka 530-0005 JAPAN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">tel. +81 (0)6 64 79 05 58<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">email.
<a href="mailto:matsuyama-h@nakka-art.jp"><span style="color:#0563C1">matsuyama-h@nakka-art.jp</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org
<archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Morrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 8:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI Ordering and Sorting Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">I forgot to mention that you probably have to re-index after changing schema.xml and reloading the core.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Andrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 28/04/2022 10:51, </span>松山 ひとみ<span lang="EN-US"> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks again Andrew!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We’ll try applying what you gave to our current AS.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hitomi</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>
<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org"><archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Morrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 6:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI Ordering and Sorting Issue</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">If you're using the schema.xml that came with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1 in your external Solr 8.11, then it will still define the "sort_icu" fieldType as an instance of the solr.TextField class. If you look below that, there is a commented-out
alternative fieldType definition which is an instance of solr.ICUCollationField. ArchivesSpace 3.2.0 has changed to that (because it no longer has to support the previously-built-in Solr 4.10) but you don't need to upgrade to it, you can just edit your schema.xml,
then reload the Solr core. See the link in my previous email for help on how to set that up to be optimized for Japanese characters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Andrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 28/04/2022 09:44, </span>松山 ひとみ <span lang="EN-US">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank you Andrew!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Our IT says we’ve already been using an external Solr 8.11 with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1, not the one built-in.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We’re thinking of upgrading our AS to 3.2.0. Do you think we will get a better result?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hitomi</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>
<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org"><archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Morrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI Ordering and Sorting Issue</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Are you using the built-in Solr search engine that comes with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1? If so, your sorting problems could be because it uses a very old version, because newer ones aren't compatible with the method of embedding it in a bigger
application. But there is the option to configure ArchivesSpace to use an external Solr service:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://archivesspace.github.io/tech-docs/provisioning/solr.html">https://archivesspace.github.io/tech-docs/provisioning/solr.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">That allows you to run a more up-to-date version, which would enable use of the solr.ICUCollationField class for sort fields. That can be adjusted to sort different languages according to their own sorting rules, as described here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_11/language-analysis.html#unicode-collation">https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_11/language-analysis.html#unicode-collation</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">ArchivesSpace 3.2.0 removes the built-in Solr, so running an external Solr service will be necessary if you upgrade in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">As for adding the option to sort on identifiers, I don't think there is a configuration option or simple interface for adding them. But it would probably be possible to develop a plug-in to override certain Ruby methods in the core code
to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Andrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 27/04/2022 11:04, </span>松山 ひとみ<span lang="EN-US"> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello all,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We’ve been stuck in the “ordering and sorting” issue in [~/repositories/resources]. Our AS is version 3.0.1.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Presumably, because we use Japanese Character, our resource list cannot be displayed in a right, alphabetical order when sorted by Title.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could we add Identifier to the category of sorting; Relevance/Title(Asc/Desc)/Year(Asc/Desc), as alternative?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We’d very much appreciate you helping solve our issue!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All the best,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hitomi Matsuyama, Audiovisual Archivist</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Nakanoshima Museum of Art, Osaka</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">4-3-1 Nakanoshima, Kita-ku</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Osaka 530-0005 JAPAN</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">tel. +81 (0)6 64 79 05 58</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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