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Thanks everyone for your informative replies. I'll give it some thought, but happy to relay back to the user that we wouldn't be able to satisfy the request without significant development.</div>
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Hi Joshua and all,
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<div>The public version of as_history probably won’t work outside of the QSA context - very heavily customized AS.</div>
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<div>We do have a generalized version that works on vanilla AS, but it isn’t open.</div>
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<div>Feel free to get in touch if you’re interested in trying it out. It gives full version tracking with diffs etc through the staff UI.</div>
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<div>Something related to this issue that I learned today from Brian Hoffman is that whenever ArchivesSpace saves a top-level record, all the subrecords are actually deleted and recreated. This means that it is not possible to reliably track when notes or
other subrecords are created or modified.</div>
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<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">There is an extensive set of changes for the Queensland State Archives that includes functionality like this. I have not used or tested this, so not sure how customized it is to QSA's
needs, but it was developed by Hudson Molonglo, so it should be good stuff! <a href="https://gitlab.gaiaresources.com.au/qsa/as_history" id="x_m_-848509400727842525LPlnk901795" target="_blank">
https://gitlab.gaiaresources.com.au/qsa/as_history</a> It may or may not work with the latest version of AS.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">Best,</div>
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<span style="">Hey Scott,<br>
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>From my understanding, you are correct that besides a last modified timestamp, that’s as deep as ASpace goes in tracking changes to data. We’ve had colleagues here express similar interest in wanting to track more detailed changes to records, such as when
an archivist publishes a record or edits a note, but that functionality doesn’t exist as far as I’m aware.<br>
<br>
If your local practice is to track changes to records using events, then it’s possible the user could access the “<a href="https://archivesspace.github.io/archivesspace/api/?python#get-a-list-of-events-for-a-repository" target="_blank">Get a list of Events
for a Repository</a>” API endpoint (if they are a user in your ArchivesSpace instance) and filter the results based on records related to a specific resource. That requires your ArchivesSpace users to be using events in that way to work.<br>
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The only other methods that I can think of is possibly using something like the <a href="https://archive.org/web/" target="_blank">
WayBack Machine</a> or a web scraper like <a href="https://beautiful-soup-4.readthedocs.io/en/latest/" target="_blank">
BeautifulSoup</a> with Python to track changes to any public facing websites you have. WayBack would only be good for occasional captures and BeautifulSoup would need to scrape your public-facing website for any updates/newly published records. I did something
like that in grad school, but it was with a blog website and not finding aids.</span></div>
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<span style="">I hope this was helpful. Anyone here, please correct me if I’m wrong or forgetting anything.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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Corey</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:12pt">We've had a user request to see if we can extract lists of records that have changed and what the change is (eg list of records that have changed from unpublished to publish- part of their work is working through an unpublished
repository and tracking how much they're making available periodically). They'd like to be able to build something round the API for this.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:12pt">I didn't think AS went down to that level- we'd see a last modified timestamp, but I didn't think there was anything deeper. Is that correct? I know "event" is accessible through the API, but I still couldn't see how that would
get down to a specific data change.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 2, 2023 11:44 AM<br>
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<span style="">Hey Scott,<br>
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>From my understanding, you are correct that besides a last modified timestamp, that’s as deep as ASpace goes in tracking changes to data. We’ve had colleagues here express similar interest in wanting to track more detailed changes to records, such as when
an archivist publishes a record or edits a note, but that functionality doesn’t exist as far as I’m aware.<br>
<br>
If your local practice is to track changes to records using events, then it’s possible the user could access the “<a href="https://archivesspace.github.io/archivesspace/api/?python#get-a-list-of-events-for-a-repository" target="_blank">Get a list of Events
for a Repository</a>” API endpoint (if they are a user in your ArchivesSpace instance) and filter the results based on records related to a specific resource. That requires your ArchivesSpace users to be using events in that way to work.<br>
<br>
The only other methods that I can think of is possibly using something like the <a href="https://archive.org/web/" target="_blank">
WayBack Machine</a> or a web scraper like <a href="https://beautiful-soup-4.readthedocs.io/en/latest/" target="_blank">
BeautifulSoup</a> with Python to track changes to any public facing websites you have. WayBack would only be good for occasional captures and BeautifulSoup would need to scrape your public-facing website for any updates/newly published records. I did something
like that in grad school, but it was with a blog website and not finding aids.</span></div>
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<span style="">I hope this was helpful. Anyone here, please correct me if I’m wrong or forgetting anything.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Corey</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:12pt">We've had a user request to see if we can extract lists of records that have changed and what the change is (eg list of records that have changed from unpublished to publish- part of their work is working through an unpublished
repository and tracking how much they're making available periodically). They'd like to be able to build something round the API for this.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:12pt">I didn't think AS went down to that level- we'd see a last modified timestamp, but I didn't think there was anything deeper. Is that correct? I know "event" is accessible through the API, but I still couldn't see how that would
get down to a specific data change.</span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Digital Library Development & Systems</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Floor F East</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Argyle House</span></p>
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<div><span><span style="font-family:Arial; background-color:transparent; vertical-align:baseline; white-space:pre-wrap">For current library access and services details, see
</span><a href="https://libraries.smith.edu/library-services-during-covid-19" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial; background-color:transparent; vertical-align:baseline; white-space:pre-wrap">Library Services During COVID-19</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial; background-color:transparent; vertical-align:baseline; white-space:pre-wrap">.</span></span></div>
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