<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,<br><br></div>I will just chime in to say that we have found the new date functions in agents hugely helpful with describing local sources, and are very much looking forward to being able to use those functions in describing works, especially series and file components. <br><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-left:0pt" align="left"><table style="border:none;border-collapse:collapse"><colgroup><col width="173"><col width="21"><col width="525"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:0pt"><td style="border-right:solid #efefef 1.5pt;vertical-align:top;padding:5pt 5pt 5pt 5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://anderson.edu/" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="border:none;display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;width:135px;height:91px"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/12NAXcrheA7ri8cNo3aTvszT839K7QkJwLdJFI39Drh8D9Rtvcu4l7Tz2l4VTffNa6gIbKSro9d-GR3HpzTjuuQv3gh20JEDEv3vPg8fbm0EVEaA_Rz1pgiLOPmlqh3tmgtOpmztVIQ0ULDX140z17GfqfZwMmpSbi_AMUfQ0shWaHx-rseuM7mKug" style="margin-top:0px" width="136.12267285150125" height="91"></span></span></a></p></td><td style="border-left:solid #efefef 1.5pt;vertical-align:top;padding:5pt 5pt 5pt 5pt;overflow:hidden"><br></td><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:5pt 5pt 5pt 5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#ed6d34;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap">NIC DON STANTON-ROARK</span><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#ed6d34;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:100;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#888888;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap">Archivist<br></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#888888;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap">Nicholson Library<br></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#ed6d34;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap">o: </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#888888;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap">765.641.4285</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#888888;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap">He/Him<br></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></div><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#888888;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap">This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system.</span></p></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 12:29 PM Christine Di Bella <<a href="mailto:christine.dibella@lyrasis.org">christine.dibella@lyrasis.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg5406106096239658786">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Ron,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The divergence of the two date models within ArchivesSpace did come about with the work on the Agents module. While the plan is to eventually move other record types for which it makes sense to the same model (there are some related requests
at <a href="https://archivesspace.atlassian.net/browse/ANW-1475" target="_blank">https://archivesspace.atlassian.net/browse/ANW-1475</a> and
<a href="https://archivesspace.atlassian.net/browse/ANW-380" target="_blank">https://archivesspace.atlassian.net/browse/ANW-380</a>), because dates are so complex and because the agents work was underway already, we treated the work on dates associated with agents as a first
step. The motivation for the change was specific to the EAC-CPF standard, though it has broader applicability with EAD as well.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t have a specific timeframe for moving other dates in the application to this model right now. One of our thoughts in staging this date transition was that we wanted to get feedback on the agents dates piece before taking the even
larger step of moving the other record types (and migrating the associated data) to that model. We haven’t received much feedback on the agents yet, possibly because a lot of people haven’t upgraded to a 3.x version yet or possibly because the new date model
meets their needs just fine. We are currently reviewing prioritized projects against capacity in light of staffing changes and I intend to share more information and an updated roadmap soon.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope that helps. If you have other questions, or if anyone here has background or feedback specific to the agents date model, we’d be glad to have them.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Christine<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Christine Di Bella</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">ArchivesSpace Program Manager</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="mailto:christine.dibella@lyrasis.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">christine.dibella@lyrasis.org</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">678-235-2905</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Van den Branden<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 5, 2022 9:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Archivesspace_Users_Group] different date models for Agents vs Accessions, Resources, Archival Objects?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm wondering why different date models exist for different record types in ArchivesSpace:<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="m_5406106096239658786MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Accessions + Resources/Archival Objects:<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li class="m_5406106096239658786MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Date Certainty: general certainty qualifier: "Approximate", "Inferred", "Questionable"<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
<li class="m_5406106096239658786MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Agents:<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li class="m_5406106096239658786MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Date Certainty: general certainty qualifier: "Approximate", "Inferred", "Questionable"<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_5406106096239658786MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Standardized Date Type: specific qualifier for both Begin and End date: "Standard", "Not Before", "Not After"<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The extra field Standardized Date Type is occurring consistently for all date fields in the Agents module.<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This raises some questions:<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="m_5406106096239658786MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">What's the motivation for this difference? Is it standards-based, and does EAC-CPF allow for more detail than EAD? Or is is because the Agents module has been reworked more recently?<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_5406106096239658786MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">In the latter case, is any harmonization foreseen for the date fields in Accessions and Resources/Archival Objects? If so, is there a time frame?<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks for your thoughts!<span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="NL-BE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL-BE">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL-BE">Ron<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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