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    <p>I'd forgotten about clean_for_sort. I've overridden it myself, in
      a plug-in. The simplest way is:</p>
    <ol>
      <li>In plugins/local, create a subfolder called "indexer"</li>
      <li>Create a file in that subfolder called
        "indexer_common_override.rb"</li>
      <li>In the file, declare "class IndexerCommon"</li>
      <li>Copy the def for clean_for_sort into that, and adjust it to
        meet your requirements.</li>
      <li>Restart and re-index.<br>
      </li>
    </ol>
    <p>Something like:</p>
    <p>[^\p{L}\s]</p>
    <p>Would be a less anglocentric substitute for:</p>
    <p>[^\w\s]<br>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>If that works, you probably won't have any empty title_sort
      values, but in general you can control the sorting of records
      without values in schema.xml with the sortMissingLast attribute,
      see:</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_8/field-type-definitions-and-properties.html">https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_8/field-type-definitions-and-properties.html</a><br>
    </p>
    <p>Andrew.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/05/2022 08:37, 松山 ひとみ wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Hello, again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We’ve tried as Andrew kindly suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">However, it didn’t work as well as expected…
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We think using “clean_for_sort; IndexerCommon”
            may interfere when “title” is set to “title_sort”.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">“clean_for_sort” looks eliminating anything
            except alphabets and numbers when sorting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">It would affect not only Japanese character but
            also any non-alphabet characters, such as Hangul or
            Cyrillic, we suppose.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We also wonder what order is applied when
            “title_sort” is empty.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><br>
          </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><br>
          </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Hitomi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Hitomi Matsuyama, Audiovisual Archivist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Nakanoshima Museum of Art, Osaka<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">4-3-1 Nakanoshima, Kita-ku<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Osaka 530-0005 JAPAN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">tel. +81 (0)6 64 79 05 58<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">email.
            <a href="mailto:matsuyama-h@nakka-art.jp" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">matsuyama-h@nakka-art.jp</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org"><archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org></a> <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Andrew Morrison<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 8:46 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI
                Ordering and Sorting Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">I forgot to mention that you probably have
            to re-index after changing schema.xml and reloading the
            core.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">Andrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 28/04/2022 10:51, </span>松山
            ひとみ<span lang="EN-US"> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Thanks again Andrew!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We’ll try applying what you gave to our
              current AS.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Hitomi</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">
                  <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>
                  <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Morrison<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 6:09 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI
                  Ordering and Sorting Issue</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-US">If you're using the schema.xml that came
              with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1 in your external Solr 8.11, then
              it will still define the "sort_icu" fieldType as an
              instance of the solr.TextField class. If you look below
              that, there is a commented-out alternative fieldType
              definition which is an instance of solr.ICUCollationField.
              ArchivesSpace 3.2.0 has changed to that (because it no
              longer has to support the previously-built-in Solr 4.10)
              but you don't need to upgrade to it, you can just edit
              your schema.xml, then reload the Solr core. See the link
              in my previous email for help on how to set that up to be
              optimized for Japanese characters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-US">Andrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 28/04/2022 09:44,
              </span>松山 ひとみ <span lang="EN-US">
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Thank you Andrew!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Our IT says we’ve already been using an
                external Solr 8.11 with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1, not the one
                built-in.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We’re thinking of upgrading our AS to
                3.2.0. Do you think we will get a better result?
              </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Hitomi</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">
                    <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>
                    <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org></a>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Morrison<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 4:47 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] PUI
                    Ordering and Sorting Issue</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p><span lang="EN-US">Are you using the built-in Solr search
                engine that comes with ArchivesSpace 3.0.1? If so, your
                sorting problems could be because it uses a very old
                version, because newer ones aren't compatible with the
                method of embedding it in a bigger application. But
                there is the option to configure ArchivesSpace to use an
                external Solr service:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://archivesspace.github.io/tech-docs/provisioning/solr.html" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://archivesspace.github.io/tech-docs/provisioning/solr.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p><span lang="EN-US">That allows you to run a more
                up-to-date version, which would enable use of the
                solr.ICUCollationField class for sort fields. That can
                be adjusted to sort different languages according to
                their own sorting rules, as described here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_11/language-analysis.html#unicode-collation" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://solr.apache.org/guide/8_11/language-analysis.html#unicode-collation</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p><span lang="EN-US">ArchivesSpace 3.2.0 removes the
                built-in Solr, so running an external Solr service will
                be necessary if you upgrade in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p><span lang="EN-US">As for adding the option to sort on
                identifiers, I don't think there is a configuration
                option or simple interface for adding them. But it would
                probably be possible to develop a plug-in to override
                certain Ruby methods in the core code to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p><span lang="EN-US">Andrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 27/04/2022
                  11:04, </span>松山 ひとみ<span lang="EN-US"> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Hello all,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We’ve been stuck in the “ordering and
                  sorting” issue in [~/repositories/resources]. Our AS
                  is version 3.0.1.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Presumably, because we use Japanese
                  Character, our resource list cannot be displayed in a
                  right, alphabetical order when sorted by Title.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Could we add Identifier to the category
                  of sorting; Relevance/Title(Asc/Desc)/Year(Asc/Desc),
                  as alternative?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We’d very much appreciate you helping
                  solve our issue!
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">All the best,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Hitomi Matsuyama, Audiovisual Archivist</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">4-3-1 Nakanoshima, Kita-ku</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Osaka 530-0005 JAPAN</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">tel. +81 (0)6 64 79 05 58</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <a href="mailto:matsuyama-h@nakka-art.jp" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">matsuyama-h@nakka-art.jp</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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