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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your feedback! I did create and submit a new feature request for changing to more human-readable dates in the PUI (basically just replacing the month in ISO 8601 with the spelled out English equivalent), which is now
<a href="https://archivesspace.atlassian.net/browse/ANW-1273">ANW-1273</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mark, thanks for this background info—I’m also going to submit a linked request for compressing the date displays in the way you describe, which is a great idea but seems like it might need a separate ticket. Maybe a third step would be
a customizable display as Dan mentions below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kevin, what you’re describing is exactly what brought this up for us initially. I had proposed to folks here that maybe one way to get good human-readable dates in the PUI would be to enter them (consistently) as date expressions and then
have Timewalk or Timetwister normalize them for us. But that seemed to be living a bit on the edge, and as a member of the team described it: “we shouldn’t be entering bad data on purpose and hoping that ASpace will magically fix it for us”. I like to think
I received a lot of tough love that day <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--Benn<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org <archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Clair, Kevin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group <archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] normalized begin/end date display in PUI<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">+1 to all of this. Our current use case seems to go the other way -- at Penn State the tendency is to have processing archivists provide human-readable date expressions,
and that we would like to generate machine-readable begin and end dates based on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I'm wondering how uncertain dates would figure into this. In both of the ArchivesSpace instances I'm familiar with there are a lot of "circa"s and "approximately"s, with
varying ideas on how to encode them as begin and end dates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">thanks! -k<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on behalf of Custer, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark.custer@yale.edu">mark.custer@yale.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Benn,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Yes, this is a great feature request! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It was discussed as part of the PUI enhancement phase for 2.1, but never got added due to the additional work required (e.g., month names would also need to be added to the YML files for translation
purposes). It was also hoped that there might already be an adoptable codebase that would handle the logic of taking ISO-8601 (and, eventually, EDTF dates, which I think are now somewhat part of the newest release of ISO-8601) and transform those to human-readable
values so that this would not have to be created from scratch for ArchivesSpace (maybe
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fgithub.com*2Fduke-libraries*2Fedtf-humanize&data=04*7C01*7Ckmc35*40psu.edu*7Cb55e1f010f9447f0577b08d8ff4dcec6*7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e*7C0*7C0*7C637540056959006870*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=VmJoTsOdvmcTh8hEJ3TV2bmlkn2hiQjvT7Yyv6wmXS4*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!Fkq1I6E7XyinQKdUlen_4U4aO06pHrKfTJlMjvezF7IEWVXc05m_BOif_eFzWKKLXuLtj4Qc$">
https://github.com/duke-libraries/edtf-humanize</a> fits the bill now... at least it already has translation values, e.g. <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fgithub.com*2Fduke-libraries*2Fedtf-humanize*2Fblob*2Fdevelop*2Fconfig*2Flocales*2Ffr.edtf.yml*23L6&data=04*7C01*7Ckmc35*40psu.edu*7Cb55e1f010f9447f0577b08d8ff4dcec6*7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e*7C0*7C0*7C637540056959016861*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=vStOxOH7hU*2FBaCG*2FbO37UOogXkSLF2l*2B05f7if1obfg*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!Fkq1I6E7XyinQKdUlen_4U4aO06pHrKfTJlMjvezF7IEWVXc05m_BOif_eFzWKKLXreZ1EKB$">https://github.com/duke-libraries/edtf-humanize/blob/develop/config/locales/fr.edtf.yml#L6</a>).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Also, in the example that you provided below, the ideal English language output might be something like: "1935 March 19-23", without repeating the year and month values. So, the auto-populated
date displays should also be compressed when necessary. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on behalf of Dan Michelson <<a href="mailto:dmichelson@smith.edu">dmichelson@smith.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 14, 2021 6:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] normalized begin/end date display in PUI</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that's a great idea! Ideally, we'd have a way for the format to be customizable (e.g., day month year for European institutions, month day, year for US institutions), but removing the ambiguity is more important.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:38 PM Benn Joseph <<a href="mailto:benn.joseph@northwestern.edu">benn.joseph@northwestern.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal">For processing projects at our institution, we’ve pretty much reached the point of normalizing the use of the Harvard spreadsheet ingest module in ASpace, which is great! One result of doing this is that we now favor ingesting normalized
begin/end dates almost exclusively, if possible, in order to make searching dates easier in the ASpace PUI (meaning we typically do not include a date expression unless it’s something that cannot be conveyed in the begin/end fields).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">But, is anyone else bugged by the way these dates display in the PUI? Here’s an example from something we have currently in process:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">It isn’t terrible, but it’s also not the easiest to read. In addition, DACS seems to discourage the use of ISO 8601 for the end user:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>2.4.14.</b> For descriptions of a single item, record exact dates in a consistent and unambiguous fashion, preferably expressed as year-month-day, i.e. 1906 March 17 (it also says “Expression of dates as all numerals is discouraged
due to the differing conventions in the order of information”, and what we have here is all numerals).
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<p class="xxmsonormal">We could certainly add a more human-readable date expression to each of these archival objects, but the sentiment here is that if we have good data, ASpace should be able to take ‘1935-03-19’ and display ‘1935 March 19’ (or whatever we
like) to a user pretty easily without us having to do any extra work. But, before I file an enhancement request, what do others think about this?
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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