<div dir="ltr">Mark,<div><br></div><div>Thanks. Some new information and ideas in there. I have our record_inheritance settings directly out of the box, which I assume are:<br><br># {<br># :property => 'notes',<br># :inherit_if => proc {|json| json.select {|j| j['type'] == 'accessrestrict'} },<br># :inherit_directly => true<br># },<br># {<br># :property => 'notes',<br># :inherit_if => proc {|json| json.select {|j| j['type'] == 'scopecontent'} },<br># :inherit_directly => false<br># },<br># {<br># :property => 'notes',<br># :inherit_if => proc {|json| json.select {|j| j['type'] == 'langmaterial'} },<br># :inherit_directly => false<br># },<br></div><div><br></div><div>Setting the restricted notes to <b>false</b> might help. Is that a normal setting for others? I don't know what is appropriate or desired in terms of regular usage.</div><div><br></div><div>As far as watching what is happening, I'd be rather happy to see any of the indexing complete to the point where I have to look at the database for further info. So far, the only thing that has <b>ever</b> completed was the Staff index once and then everything died when the database had the 'savings time' error. That data set *thought* that staff indexing was complete and only did PUI after that and never completed just PUI, so whether running one before the other would work for our data is a question mark. But that is worth a try as well. </div><div><br></div><div>I've been keeping an eye on disk space and have not hit any limits there. I do see where backups could take up a lot of space over time. So will keep watching that going forward (assuming I ever get a completed solr index).</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 12:05 PM Custer, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark.custer@yale.edu">mark.custer@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Not sure if it will help (and not sure if you shared your config.rb file in a previous message), but have you tried:</div>
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<li>turning off the Solr backups during the re-indexing (<a href="https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/blob/d207e8a7bb01c2b7b6f42ee5c0025d95f35ee7ae/common/config/config-defaults.rb#L76" id="gmail-m_-5499382630847295865LPlnk" target="_blank">https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/blob/d207e8a7bb01c2b7b6f42ee5c0025d95f35ee7ae/common/config/config-defaults.rb#L76</a>).
Just going back to Dave's suggestion about keeping an eye out on disk space.</li><li>updating the record inheritance settings and removing the bit about inheriting scope and contents notes, which really bloats the index since most finding aids won't have lower-level descriptive notes (<a href="https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/blob/d207e8a7bb01c2b7b6f42ee5c0025d95f35ee7ae/common/config/config-defaults.rb#L411-L413" id="gmail-m_-5499382630847295865LPlnk" target="_blank">https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/blob/d207e8a7bb01c2b7b6f42ee5c0025d95f35ee7ae/common/config/config-defaults.rb#L411-L413</a>).
For our record inheritance settings , <a href="https://github.com/YaleArchivesSpace/aspace-deployment/blob/master/prod/config.rb#L204-L244" id="gmail-m_-5499382630847295865LPlnk" target="_blank">https://github.com/YaleArchivesSpace/aspace-deployment/blob/master/prod/config.rb#L204-L244</a>), we only
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</li><li>Turning off the PUI indexer until the staff indexing is done, and then turning the PUI indexer back on?</li></ul>
<div>When testing re-indexing locally, I usually bump up the two values that Blake listed below, at least until I start getting Java heapspace errors and don't' have any more RAM to allot to ASpace
<span id="gmail-m_-5499382630847295865🙂">🙂. <span style="margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px">But even just waiting for the archival objects can take a while, depending on the settings in your config.rb file. While waiting for a full re-index once when things
were re-indexing on a server that I didn't have access to, I'd periodically look at the last archival object ID that was indexed, and then run a database query to see how many more archival objects were left in that repo, since a full re-index seems to go
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<div><span>That would at least give me a sense of how much longer it might be for all the archival objects were left in one of our repos.</span></div>
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If i recall correctly, there won't be any specific mentions in the logs about that, but after you get a message about all of the archival objects being indexed in a specfic repository, you'll get another message about the archival objects being indexed again
sometime later, at which point the full trees have been reindexed again, and then the indexer will be off to the next repo (or record type, like classification records, etc.)</span></div>
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<div>In your testing, how big was the repository that you were testing against. Mine has "763368 archival_object records" and I consistently get into the 670K range for staff and 575 range for PUI before things really slow down. I'm now trying to really increase
the Java settings to see if that will help. So far, the problem is similar: real slow downs after zipping through the first records. I'll also try some of the settings you have there to see if fewer but larger threads work better than multiple smaller threads. </div>
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with what works on your set up with your data. I started with the defaults, then dropped it to reallllly slow (1 thread 1 per), then just tried to dial it up and down. The last one I tried worked fine, it was fast enough to finish in a reasonable amount of
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So some extra detail for the mailing list archives... if your site keeps crashing before the indexers finish and you're not seeing any particular errors in the logs that make you think you have a problem with your data, try turning the knobs on your indexer
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<div>Thanks for the suggestion, but unless there is some direct limitation within Solr, that should not be an issue. My disk is at only about 50% of capacity and Solr should be able to expand as needed. In my case, I don't think there has been much addition
to Solr because I'm reindexing records which have been indexed already. So the deleted records are growing, but not the overall number of records. My index is currently at about 6GB.</div>
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