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<p>Heh, well, I might not disagree overall...but it does really depend on local use cases.</p>
<p>And there's a long-running / more serious problem than just wanting to do updates to a third system..<br>
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<p>An EAD export might be really small or it might require thousands of SQL queries to build. And since some organizations want to make their EADs available for download or are using it to update other discovery systems, this could really just kill your database
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<p>There's been talks of a need to have a caching mechanism for EAD files instead of just having them made on request. This wouldn't be that hard to do with something like Squid or Varnish, but this would add another dependency to the application.</p>
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<p>Does the PUI have EAD exports in the request features? This is something we might have to sort out sooner rather than later...<br>
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<div>“Real-time updates” and EAD will never go nicely together. People who aren’t serializing their data to XML as an end-in-itself should consider taking EAD out of the equation and moving the data directly from point A to point B. People who do believe having
archival data serialized as XML is an end-in-itself should in the long run consider an alternative to EAD that is more accommodating to granular updates.
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Yeah, so that might be slightly tricky...if a bunch of components are updated, you don't want to trigger multiple EAD exports for each component update, but just a one time EAD export for all the updates.
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">But, it that the primary use case for most folks? You want to trigger an EAD export when an associated record ( not just a resource, but a child archival object or instance ) is updated?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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<div class="">We would have a similar use case. We have not managed to import all of our legacy EAD into ArchivesSpace, so we </div>
<div class="">will want to export EAD from ArchivesSpace to XTF whenever published resources are updated. We were considering</div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Great. Maybe we can plan some kind of meetup to do some coding work as well...</div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">I am seeing a convergence of your request and the others for the OAI-PHM responder. I like your idea, since it I think most of it is actually pretty much already built in the indexer, since it polls the
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">I think it would be pretty easy to essentially do something else, like "when a record is created, POST the JSON to this URI". Or maybe something slightly more sophisticated, like push it messaging queue
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<div class="">One idea we’ve been batting around here is some sort of messaging system (inspired by Github’s webhooks [1]) which would allow authorized users to activate customizable HTTP callbacks for events, for example creation, modification or deletion
of a resource or component. It seems like people have taken a number of approaches to figuring out when data changes in AS, but as far as I know all of these involve some sort of regularly scheduled cron job that looks at the Solr index or makes a ton of API
calls. It would be amazing if the system could send notifications out – I think it would allow for much more efficient and flexible integration with other systems.</div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">I am thinking of also signing up to lead a breakout session one of the days, and might put together something for a lighting talk.</div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Is anyone else planning on going? Are there some possible ideas that anyone has or would like to see if attending? We might be able to expand on the breakout, if there's critical mass to possibly meet
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; float:none; display:inline!important">Archivesspace_Users_Group
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<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; float:none; display:inline!important"><a href="mailto:Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" class="">Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a></span><br class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px">
<span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; float:none; display:inline!important"><a href="http://lyralists.lyrasis.org/mailman/listinfo/archivesspace_users_group" class="">http://lyralists.lyrasis.org/mailman/listinfo/archivesspace_users_group</a></span></div>
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