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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yeah, we’re generally using them as a way to link digital objects to already existing components in AS, and we’d just like to make sure that won’t be changing around on us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Patrick Galligan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rockefeller Archive Center<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Assistant Digital Archivist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>914-366-6386<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org [mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Callahan, Maureen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 15, 2015 11:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] Persistence of ref ids?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>At Yale, we’ve also stored ArchivesSpace ref_ids in our Hydra repository for the same purpose.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I know that there’s some talk of a “product owners” group for ArchivesSpace — I think that it would be good for this kind of group to put together a “data charter” (there’s gotta be a better term) that lays out a minimum set of expectations for ArchivesSpace users -- what elements of the application (and the data therein) are and are not subject to change over time. This would help us make integration plans with more confidence.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Maureen<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 15, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Noah Huffman <<a href="mailto:noah.huffman@duke.edu">noah.huffman@duke.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Patrick,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We’ve made a couple of decisions internally that assume these ref_ids are persistent. For example, we’re storing these IDs in our Hydra repository as the primary way to link from digital objects to their description in ASpace. So, naturally, I’m curious about this too.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Noah</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#404040'>================</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#404040'>Noah Huffman</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#404040'>Archivist for Metadata, Systems, and Digital Records</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#404040'>David M. Rubenstein Rare Book & Manuscript Library</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#404040'>Duke University | 919-660-5982</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#404040'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__library.duke.edu_rubenstein_&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JgH2YCQ8D3P9-Lm_x4bv3d2CZBYlbx6hxnLFHtfovi8&m=tX7szkz05Wkf4oLmjcMx2Ev3S-DA0p2JJgXQCtbDasc&s=6GOsMTousP-QKC4CsQG-ALmP7QsFNmtHFsMdch3flhk&e="><span style='color:#404040'>http://library.duke.edu/rubenstein/</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org"><span style='color:purple'>archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</span></a>[<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Galligan, Patrick<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, December 14, 2015 2:28 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Archivesspace Users Group <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org"><span style='color:purple'>archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Archivesspace_Users_Group] Persistence of ref ids?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We’re curious to hear from the devs or anyone with a lot of experience about whether ref_ids in the system ever change their values. I know they don’t upon transfer, and they’re not editable from the user interface, so we’re fairly certain they are permanent and persistent, but want to make sure before making a couple decisions internally.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Can anyone confirm their persistence/permanence?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Patrick Galligan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Rockefeller Archive Center<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Assistant Digital Archivist<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>914-366-6386<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Archivesspace_Users_Group mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br></span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lyralists.lyrasis.org_mailman_listinfo_archivesspace-5Fusers-5Fgroup&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JgH2YCQ8D3P9-Lm_x4bv3d2CZBYlbx6hxnLFHtfovi8&m=tX7szkz05Wkf4oLmjcMx2Ev3S-DA0p2JJgXQCtbDasc&s=IeiOQkudgTdOROPNXnFqm-564YvC6zsDTD0UndCsZxE&e="><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lyralists.lyrasis.org_mailman_listinfo_archivesspace-5Fusers-5Fgroup&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JgH2YCQ8D3P9-Lm_x4bv3d2CZBYlbx6hxnLFHtfovi8&m=tX7szkz05Wkf4oLmjcMx2Ev3S-DA0p2JJgXQCtbDasc&s=IeiOQkudgTdOROPNXnFqm-564YvC6zsDTD0UndCsZxE&e=</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>