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I have been assuming these are stable; one way to check would be to see if what function is producing it and what the input value is; it looks like a hash value, but it is unclear to me what input value is being used and what function generates them, or whether
it might be called more than one time in response to particular events (although I would hope not!) I guess one could trace this through the code, unfortunately the API documentation linked here appears to be broken, so I couldn’t check that . . . . <a href="http://archivesspace.org/technicaldocumentation" class="">http://archivesspace.org/technicaldocumentation</a>
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<div class="">As to the ‘product owner’s group, I’d be interested to hear more about this. My main exposure to the product owner concept is through agile/scrum methodology, where it has a very defined purpose and is always one person. There is a decent
overview here <a href="http://www.romanpichler.com/blog/one-page-product-owner/" class="">http://www.romanpichler.com/blog/one-page-product-owner/</a> and at the links, which I think is a reasonable summary of the role, although there are variations depending
on which ‘flavor’ of agile/scrum is used. Typically, it requires a person with a very specific skill set if it is to be properly executed with strong project management, UX, and customer/stakeholder relations skills and it is a full time staff position.
Most scrum/agile books warn assume it is a single person or even warn against trying to make it a group, although sometimes a ‘product owner group' can take on defined task or work in advisory capacity to the product owner.</div>
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<div class="">But, I am not sure that the project is using using the term in the agile sense---or d some other way???</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 15, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Callahan, Maureen <<a href="mailto:maureen.callahan@YALE.EDU" class="">maureen.callahan@YALE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">At Yale, we’ve also stored ArchivesSpace ref_ids in our Hydra repository for the same purpose.</div>
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<div class="">I know that there’s some talk of a “product owners” group for ArchivesSpace — I think that it would be good for this kind of group to put together a “data charter” (there’s gotta be a better term) that lays out a minimum set of expectations for
ArchivesSpace users -- what elements of the application (and the data therein) are and are not subject to change over time. This would help us make integration plans with more confidence.</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 15, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Noah Huffman <<a href="mailto:noah.huffman@duke.edu" class="">noah.huffman@duke.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">We’ve made a couple of decisions internally that assume these ref_ids are persistent. For example, we’re storing these IDs in our Hydra repository as the primary way to link from digital objects to their description
in ASpace. So, naturally, I’m curious about this too.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>[<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Galligan, Patrick<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 14, 2015 2:28 PM<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Archivesspace_Users_Group] Persistence of ref ids?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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We’re curious to hear from the devs or anyone with a lot of experience about whether ref_ids in the system ever change their values. I know they don’t upon transfer, and they’re not editable from the user interface, so we’re fairly certain they are permanent
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Can anyone confirm their persistence/permanence?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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