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<p>Hey Allyson,</p>
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<p>Yeah, I didn't know about it either until I went through the code last summer trying to figure how everything worked. It seemed like it was intentional but it took me awhile to figure out why...turns out it's kind of nice feature.</p>
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<p>Let's say I Ctl- select Folders 7,8,9,10,11 in that order then move them to the top of the list. The result is: </p>
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<p>Items with Folder 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 are now in the order I selected. </p>
<p>Maybe unexpected, but useful. </p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] Multiselect Ordering</font>
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<div>This was actually the issue I had just noticed here at Colgate. <br>
Thank you for the explanation - I understand now, although it is not really a functionality I would have expected if you had not brought it to our attention.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick <span dir="ltr">
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<p>Just a quick note related to the reordering issues...</p>
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<p>One thing I've notice that some people are not aware of is that the multiselect batch moves depend on the order in which you multiselect. For example, if you first select an Archival Object and shift select several records above it, then move those records
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<p>If I select AO 4, then shift select AO 3 and AO 2 and move them to above AO 1, my result will be:</p>
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<p>The same is for ctl- select. The block you're moving depends on the order you select. This is the intended functionality...</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2015 5:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] Continuing Problem in Re-Ordering of components - Critical</font>
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<p>Hi Ben,</p>
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<p>Sure, I guess I would start out again by just mentioning again that part of the problem with this problem is that it's not a problem, but rather a series of problems. We've been closing out a lot of the issues, but since there's so much going on in ArchivesSpace,
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<p>So, it's really helpful to know a few things...one would be a general description of the record ( Accession? Resource? Digital Object? Archival Object? Digital Object Component? Classification? ). And especially the size of the records involved ( especially
 the number of records you tried to move and how many siblings that record has ). </p>
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<p>Also good to know if your data was imported from an EAD, migrated from Archon/AT, or made from scratch in the application. Also good to know if you've done any transfers for this data ( although these issues have been mostly fixed, I believe ).
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<p>It's also helpful to know what the user did. Did they click on one record and try and move it or Was it a multiselected batch? Was the multiselect a shift- multiselect or a ctl- multiselect? Did you start from the top and go down on the multiselect or from
 the bottom and then go up? If it was a ctl- multiselect, what order did you select the records? (more on this in a followup email ) Did you move the record(s) down the list in the same series or up the list in the same series? Or did you re-parent the records
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<p>And it's really helpful if you can replicate this somewhere we can look at the records. Like in the sandbox or
<a href="http://test.archivesspace.org" target="_blank">test.archivesspace.org</a>. </p>
<p>Also very helpful if people can test out changes we've made on the dev releases prior to the version release.
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<p>We have people on the TAC and UAC testing this out, so if people want to volunteer to test, I think they would be welcome. </p>
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<p>And, of course, it would be really great it the community could start troubleshooting locally and producing code fixes ( or at least tests )  and sending in pull-requests. </p>
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<p>In regards to tracking, I'd mention we do have a Jira issue tracker,  but I'd leave it to the community to decide what's the best way to track these kinds of support issues...</p>
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archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>> on behalf of Ben Goldman <<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank">bmg17@psu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] Continuing Problem in Re-Ordering of components - Critical</font>
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<div>Could you just take a moment to lay out for us what specific information is required to troubleshoot this issue, so we can all start collecting/sharing data in a helpful way? What specific information about the server environment do you need to know? And
 how would you like us to share what the data looks like? Would attaching an XML version of the record suffice?
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<div>And is there a better way to collect this data from the institutions experiencing this issue than the listserv? I think it may be worth looking for ways we as a community can start working<span style="color:#000000; font-family:georgia,serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; display:inline!important; float:none; background-color:#ffffff"> more
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 Emma suggested, this issue is kind of a deal-breaker when encountered. It not only stifles work, it also creates distrust by users working in the system, which works against our efforts to advocate for ASpace locally at our institutions, and more broadly in
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<div><b>From: </b>"Chris Fitzpatrick" <<a href="mailto:Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org" target="_blank">Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Archivesspace Users Group" <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:09:46 AM<br>
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<p>Hi Lora,</p>
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<p>Thanks. One thing to keep in mind is that LYRASIS hosting is separate from the ArchivesSpace, so if you're having problems with the application, you should send that information to the ArchivesSpace project team if you want support from us on it ( "us" being
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<p>Also, going through all these "reordering issues", one of the problems with troubleshooting this has been it is heavily depending on how the data is structured, what user is doing, and the server environment. So, it's really helpful to get a description
 of what the data looks like, what actions the user was doing, and your server environment ( in your case, you're hosted, which is enough information ). </p>
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<p>best, chris. <br>
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archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>> on behalf of Lora Davis <<a href="mailto:ljdavis@colgate.edu" target="_blank">ljdavis@colgate.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group<br>
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<div>Just a quick between-meetings post to note that we at Colgate (Lyrasis hosted) are also seeing a reappearance of this component reordering trouble.  Our Processing Archivist will contribute a longer post detailing the issues she's had (including a new
 behavior we've never encountered before) later today, but for now I wanted to jump in and say "us too."</div>
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<div>As a hosted instance we have also reported these issues to Lyrasis as well.</div>
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<p>It's on the MySQL server that there's usually a bottleneck. What are the setting there? </p>
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<p>Also, it's probably a good idea to try out the dev releases and see if you run into these issues. You can download the latest here: </p>
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archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>> on behalf of Galligan, Patrick <<a href="mailto:PGalligan@rockarch.org" target="_blank">PGalligan@rockarch.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:58 PM<br>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">I’ll chime in and say that reordering has continued with the update to 1.3.0. I have not resequenced since the upgrade, which MIGHT fix the problem, but two archivists have identified
 that it still happens at the RAC. Sometimes the finding aids are large, but sometimes they are just medium sized.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">We only have AS running on our VM, and it should have plenty of ram. See top information below:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">top - 08:56:43 up 44 days, 23:58,  1 user,  load average: 0.36, 0.11, 0.03</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">Tasks: 181 total,   1 running, 180 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">Mem:  10131060k total,  9929312k used,   201748k free,   106888k buffers</span></p>
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<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Fitzpatrick<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2015 8:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group (<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] Continuing Problem in Re-Ordering of components - Critical</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Hi Emma,</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">How much RAM do you have for the application and for the MySQL server? When reordering components with lots of siblings ( hundreds or thousands ), the positions of all
 the sibling components need to be updated. If you're running into a bottle neck on the server, this can timeout and cause the reordering to be incomplete. </span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">There is some documentation on performance here :
<a href="http://archivesspace.github.io/archivesspace/" title="Cmd+Click or tap to follow the link" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">
http://archivesspace.github.io/archivesspace/</a></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">I've recently added some code that freezes the tree until the move operation has been completed, which should help with this problem. Closing the record does not actually
 do anything other than change the browser's page. If you refresh the page, it will refresh the tree as well. </span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">b,chris.
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<a href="http://archivesspace.org/" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">http://archivesspace.org/</a></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">
archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>>
 on behalf of Emma Jolley <<a href="mailto:EJOLLEY@nla.gov.au" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">EJOLLEY@nla.gov.au</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group (<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Archivesspace_Users_Group] Continuing Problem in Re-Ordering of components - Critical</span><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">We are continuing to encounter the component re-ordering problem when we edit resources even though we have recently upgraded to the latest version
 of ArchivesSpace. </span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">For example, we created a new resource record by importing an EAD XML finding aid to ArchivesSpace.  We then started editing the resource record, creating
 new components and moving existing components around the component hierarchy.  Screenshots of the edited version, prior to closing the resource record, are attached (Set 1).  As soon as the resource record was closed, many of the components re-ordered themselves
 (see screenshots Set 2).</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">We then tried re-re-ordering the components, one change at a time (Edit - change – Close, Edit – change – Close, etc.).  Following this method, the
 preferred order of components did seem to ‘stick’.  However, this is not a viable solution as this adds significantly to the time required to make even minor changes to resource records and will greatly hamper our use of ArchivesSpace for resource description
 and is virtually impossible when dealing with some of our larger collections which have thousands of components in them.
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">This is extremely frustrating and means that we are unable to undertake any detailed work or data entry at component level of Resource Records as it
 is too difficult to use. This is a <b>critical</b> <b>problem</b> for us as we are currently in a massive finding-aid project that requires extensive work on resource records.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">Is there any advice on the delivery of a solution to this problem? It seems to have been around for a long time and we would be extremely grateful
 to see an urgent solution. </span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">I would be happy to log this as a Bug if someone could send me advice on how to do so.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">Many thanks</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d">Emma</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:'Century Gothic','sans-serif'; color:#17365d">Emma Jolley</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:'Century Gothic','sans-serif'; color:#17365d">| Curator of Digital Archives,
 Pictures and Manuscripts Branch|National Library of Australia Canberra ACT 2600<br>
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emma.jolley@nla.gov.au</a>|t: 02 6262 1456|</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#17365d">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.nla.gov.au/support-us/make-a-collection-offer-pictures-and-manuscripts" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">http://www.nla.gov.au/support-us/make-a-collection-offer-pictures-and-manuscripts</a>
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<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">
archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> [<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Fitzpatrick<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 15 November 2014 9:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] reordering objects in resource records</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Hi everyone,</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Thanks for this and sorry about the pain this has been causing. A few points:
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">1) Just to clarify, this isn't a 1.1.0 bug. It's actually affects all versions of AS.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">2) Payton from Hudson Molongo's patch is included into github now, but I still need to write tests for it. If you want the fix now, you can do a fresh build on the current
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">3) In regards to process, I think the problem was that this was reported along with another similar issue involving instances re-ordering. Also, in trying to replicate
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">But, regardless, we all need to make sure that PT tickets get made for any bug or feature request. If its not in PT, it's probably not going to be addressed. </span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black"> I know not everyone has "create" access in Pivotal Tracker ( there's a license/cost issue there ), but there are quite a few colleagues who can submit tickets.
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">I'm also trying to think of ways we can ensure discussions generated here get captured into tickets, with good suggestions. Anyone have some suggestions on things that
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Let me know what you think.
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<p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">
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 on behalf of Ben Goldman <<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">bmg17@psu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 14, 2014 9:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group<br>
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<b>Sent: </b>Friday, November 14, 2014 3:43:19 PM<br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:black">Yes, just to reiterate what Allyson, Elliot, and Teresa have shared - this happens at random but does not seem to be directly correlated (at least for us) to actually
 dragging/dropping/moving components.  A case in point: I've been going through and adding access restriction notes to various components within existing administrative collections.  Last week I clicked on several existing components in a resource record, added
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 spoon into the cauldron that was the collection and stirred all the components about in an infuriatingly nonsensical way to make component soup of our previously well-ordered resource record.
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:black">Payten - Thanks for sharing this code, but just to confirm, have you tested this fix against the scenario I describe (editing but not moving a component)?  I just want
 clarification since the description for your patch ("Patch for drag and drop causing record to lose position/parent") does not align with the primary problem we are encountering.  Again, thanks for your hard work.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:black">Chris - Do we have a timeline for this release?  We are seeing many benefits to our transition to ArchivesSpace, but this problem has been a constant thorn in our sides
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:black">On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org</a>>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Ah, awesome Payten.
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Will apply this and include it in the next release.
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:44 AM<br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Chris, this looks like a little bug in the tree.js where we aren’t checking the correct node.. the comment says the right thing while the code does the wrong thing.  Here’s
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">To replicate I have a Resource hierarchy something like this:</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">I select and go to edit ‘AO Child 3’.  When that form is visible I drag ‘AO Child 4’ above to become the first sibling.  I then continue to edit ‘AO Child 3’ and refresh
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Is this happening for every record every time for you? Or is it an infrequent thing?</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:black">Not doubting you ( I promise! ) , just trying to see when this is happening...</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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Skype: chrisfitzpat  | Phone: <a href="tel:918.236.6048" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">
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<p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121"> <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>
 <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>> on behalf of Allyson Smally <<a href="mailto:asmally@colgate.edu" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">asmally@colgate.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 07, 2014 6:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Archivesspace Users Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] reordering objects in resource records</span><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121">Unfortunately, after upgrading to the newest release, we are still having this problem.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121">Archival objects are reordering themselves after being edited.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121">Thanks very much,</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121">Allyson<br>
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Allyson E. Smally<br>
Processing Archivist<br>
Colgate University Libraries<br>
13 Oak Drive<br>
Hamilton, NY 13346<br>
<a href="tel:%28315%29%20228-7867" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">(315) 228-7867</a></span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121">On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Ben Goldman <<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">bmg17@psu.edu</a>> wrote:</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:#212121">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:#212121">"Chris Fitzpatrick" <<a href="mailto:Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Archivesspace Users Group" <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:46:10 AM </span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] reordering objects        in        resource        records</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:#212121">Hey Ben,</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:#212121">Soon, I promise!</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:#212121">But just to check, are you talking about reording the archival object tree for the resource or the order of things like notes and subjects?</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<a href="http://archivesspace.org/" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">http://archivesspace.org/</a></span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#212121"> <a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:19 PM<br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:'Georgia','serif'; color:#212121">Do we have an ETA on the next release yet? :)</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>"Archivesspace Users Group" <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:15:04 PM<br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:#212121">Yes, from what I understand this is a known issue. It has been happening to us a lot as well.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:#212121">At SAA this August, I was told it would be fixed in the next release.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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Processing Archivist<br>
Colgate University Libraries<br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:'Georgia','serif'; color:#212121">I've been editing an inventory object-by-object in a resource record, saving each object as I updated it. In one instance I reordered one of the objects
 by dragging it further down the tree, then continued editing other objects. Then I reached an object that could be removed, clicked to delete it,  the resource reloaded in View mode, and the objects appeared to shuffle, and not seemingly in the order I started
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Digital Records Archivist<br>
Penn State University Libraries<br>
University Park, PA<br>
<a href="tel:814-863-8333" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">814-863-8333</a><br>
<a href="http://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/speccolls.html" target="_blank" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">http://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/speccolls.html</a></span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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Processing Archivist<br>
Colgate University Libraries<br>
13 Oak Drive<br>
Hamilton, NY 13346<br>
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13 Oak Drive<br>
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Collections Archivist<br>
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13 Oak Drive<br>
Hamilton, NY 13346
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