<html><body><div style="font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi Brian,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Yes, in this particular case, there are several thousand siblings, all children to the same parent (the resource record). In a few other cases, we have an equivalent number of objects, but arranged into parents series, so a little more structured. </div><div><br></div><div>-Ben</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Brian Hoffman" <brianjhoffman@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"Archivesspace Users Group" <archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, June 1, 2015 3:15:27 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] related records<br><div><br></div>Hi Ben,<div><br></div><div>Does the collection that is causing this have a large number of sibling components? In other words, what is the maximum number of components that all share the same parent? </div><div><br></div><div>Brian</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Ben Goldman <<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank">bmg17@psu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Aaaaand... the screenshots now.</div><div><br></div><div>-Ben</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Ben Goldman" <<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank">bmg17@psu.edu</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Archivesspace Users Group" <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, June 1, 2015 2:30:42 PM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] related records<br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Hi Chris,</div><div><br></div><div>Looks like the issues are on the client side in Chrome.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.3333330154419px;">A lot of 200s. </span>Harder to tell in Firefox, though the Network Monitor in Firefox appears to be a little more detailed . I've attached screenshots here. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't want to belabor this issue at everyone's expense. I just want to get an idea of what ASpace can handle in terms of treesize/attached records. Obviously, we're all going to have a few outlying, extremely large resource records to deal with, though.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Ben</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Chris Fitzpatrick" <<a href="mailto:Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org" target="_blank">Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Archivesspace Users Group" <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, June 1, 2015 6:12:12 AM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] related records<br><div><br></div><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Hi Ben,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">This could be the result of a few thing.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">First off, on the server-side, you can adjust the java heap space settings by adding a ASPACE_JAVA_XMX ( or a Xmx setting to your JAVA_OPTS ). This will depend on how much RAM you have on your system.Performance can also vary depending on the number of processors you have on the server.<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">All that said, what you're probably seeing is actually on the client-side. That is, ASpace is giving your browser a bunch of data that is killing your browsers javascript engine.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">So, are the 5000 AOs directly associated to a single parent, or is this a tree of objects with multiple parents? And do the individual records have a lot of subrecords associated to them? Such as instances, agents, or subjects?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">You can see this by looking at the network status ( Tools => Web Developer => Network in Firefox, View => Developer => Developer Tools => Network in Chrome ). You should see all the requests that the browser is sending here...if all the requests are getting a "200", then it's the browser's dealing with the JS that's causing the issue...if you see a request that just hangs in "Pending" status, then the issue is on the server side.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Does that make sense? </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">b,chris.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div id="Signature"><div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin: 0px;"><div class="BodyFragment"><span style="font-size: small;">Chris Fitzpatrick | Developer, ArchivesSpace<br>Skype: chrisfitzpat | Phone: 918.236.6048<br><a href="http://archivesspace.org/" target="_blank">http://archivesspace.org/</a><br></span></div></div></div><div style=""><hr style="display: inline-block; width: 577px;"><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>> on behalf of Ben Goldman <<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank">bmg17@psu.edu</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:37 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Archivesspace Users Group<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] related records</span><div> </div></div><div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>We are still having this issue in 1.2 on collections with large numbers of archival objects and/or large numbers of related records. What I'd like to know is whether any local configurations could be adjusted to increase performance. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br>Ben</div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div><br></div><div><span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-weight: bold;">Ben Goldman</span><br style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Digital Records Archivist</span><br style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Penn State University Libraries</span><br style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif;">University Park, PA</span><br style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif;">814-863-8333<br><a href="http://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/speccolls.html" target="_blank">http://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/speccolls.html</a><br></span></span><span></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Kevin Clair" <<a href="mailto:Kevin.Clair@du.edu" target="_blank">Kevin.Clair@du.edu</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Archivesspace Users Group" <<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, May 6, 2015 8:13:04 PM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] related records<br><div><br></div><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;">Hello,<br><div><br></div>We've had similar issues at DU with our collections that have large amounts of archival objects attached. Any sort of editing we want to do in those collections is greeted with the same "Loading..." message that never resolves itself. We notice it generally in collections with more than 5,000 archival objects, though we've had problems with smaller collections if we have many active users at a time. -k<br><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px;"><hr><div id="divRpF532053" style="direction: ltr;"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: small;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a> [<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>] on behalf of Ben Goldman [<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank">bmg17@psu.edu</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:40 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Archivesspace Users Group<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Archivesspace_Users_Group] related records<br></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Hi All,</div><div><br></div><div>At Penn State we've noticed some issues with opening resource records that have a large amount of related records. I would have to do some further digging to know how common such a case is, but just to provide one example: we have an institutional records collection with a couple hundred name records and maybe 80 accession records attached. When we click to Edit the record, it seems stuck on "Loading..." </div><div><br></div><div>I should mention that we're currently in the middle of migrating to v1.2, so maybe these issues will be addressed, but I am wondering if anyone has encountered any challenges with an excessive amount of related resources, or whether there is an optimal amount or limit (?).</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br>Ben</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-weight: bold;">Ben Goldman</span><br style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Digital Records Archivist</span><br style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Penn State University Libraries</span><br style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif;">University Park, PA</span><br style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia, serif;">814-863-8333<br><a href="http://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/speccolls.html" target="_blank">http://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/speccolls.html</a><br></span></span><br></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archivesspace_Users_Group mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>http://lyralists.lyrasis.org/mailman/listinfo/archivesspace_users_group<br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archivesspace_Users_Group mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>http://lyralists.lyrasis.org/mailman/listinfo/archivesspace_users_group<br></div><div><br></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archivesspace_Users_Group mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br>http://lyralists.lyrasis.org/mailman/listinfo/archivesspace_users_group<br></div><div><br></div></div><span><Screen Shot 2015-06-01 at 2.28.01 PM.png></span><span><Screen Shot 2015-06-01 at 10.16.02 AM.png></span>_______________________________________________<br>Archivesspace_Users_Group mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank">Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><br><a href="http://lyralists.lyrasis.org/mailman/listinfo/archivesspace_users_group" target="_blank">http://lyralists.lyrasis.org/mailman/listinfo/archivesspace_users_group</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archivesspace_Users_Group mailing list<br>Archivesspace_Users_Group@lyralists.lyrasis.org<br>http://lyralists.lyrasis.org/mailman/listinfo/archivesspace_users_group<br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>