[Archivesspace_Users_Group] ampersand issue
Chris Powell
sooty at umich.edu
Wed Dec 9 10:03:36 EST 2015
So, you are inputting character entities, like ø or á and not
numeric entities or the UTF-8 characters themselves?
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Novakovic, Julia <
jNovakovic at museumofplay.org> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
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> The quotation marks worked fine, but ø still reads as ø !
> Screenshot attached.
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> [Our Director of IT will confirm for me if our XML files are encoded as
> UTF-8.]
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> Thanks!
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> --Julia
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> *From:* archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org [mailto:
> archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org] *On Behalf Of *Brian
> Hoffman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 5:15 PM
> *To:* Archivesspace Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] ampersand issue
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> Hi Chris,
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> You are right - I tested two records with these titles:
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> "AmpTest & <emph>a</emph>”
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> "AmpTest & <emph>a</emph>"
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> they *both* export identically as:
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> <unittitle>AmpTest & <emph>a</emph></unittitle>
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> I also tried a similar experiment with the < entity and got different
> results:
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> "AmpTest < A”
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> exports as
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> <unittitle>AmpTest < A</unittitle>
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> which is invalid XML.
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> "AmpTest < A”
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> exports as
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> <unittitle>AmpTest < A </unittitle>
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> which is probably going to seem wrong to any user who would try to do it
> this way.
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> I’m wondering whether most users intend to key in actual XML mixed content
> or just text with inline markup that corresponds to EAD.
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> Julia, what happens if you cut and paste this text “øøøøøø” into a new
> resource record title and save it?
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> Brian
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> On Dec 8, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick <
> Chris.Fitzpatrick at lyrasis.org> wrote:
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> Hi Brian,
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> Hm,trying to think what the issues are with having "AmpTest &
> <emph>a</emph>" stored in the DB?
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> The exporter converts the & into & , but you're thinking this would be
> an import problem?
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> The other option, I thinki, would be to add things to the MixedContent
> parser, which turns all the wonderful EAD "mixed content" into actual HTML.
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> Julia:
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> Do you know if your XML files are saved as UFT-8? I wonder if you have an
> encoding issue that might be causing this.
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> best, Chris.
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> Chris Fitzpatrick | Developer, ArchivesSpace
> Skype: chrisfitzpat | Phone: 918.236.6048
> http://archivesspace.org/
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> *From:* archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org <
> archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org> on behalf of
> Galligan, Patrick <PGalligan at rockarch.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:07 PM
> *To:* Archivesspace Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] ampersand issue
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> I also didn’t have any issues with quotation marks. Maybe they were smart
> quotes or something?
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> Patrick Galligan
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> Rockefeller Archive Center
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> Assistant Digital Archivist
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> 914-366-6386
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> *From:* archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org [
> mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org
> <archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org>] *On Behalf Of *Brian
> Hoffman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:04 PM
> *To:* Archivesspace Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] ampersand issue
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> Julia,
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> I’m not having any trouble saving a title with ‘ø’ (see screenshot). Are
> you on a windows machine?
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> Brian
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> <image001.png>
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> On Dec 8, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Novakovic, Julia <jNovakovic at museumofplay.org>
> wrote:
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> Similarly, we have found that special characters like ø or quotation marks
> in the title field do not appear correctly, while they appear fine in other
> notes fields throughout imported collections. I have had to go through
> manually and change the characters to something that closely resembles the
> actual characters we want. [For example, Brøderbund to Broderbund … Gerald
> A. (“Jerry”) Lawson papers to Gerald A. (‘Jerry’) Lawson papers.] I would
> also appreciate clarification like Brian has outlined below.
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> Thanks!
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> --Julia
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> Julia Novakovic
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> Archivist
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> Associate Editor, *American Journal of Play*
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> *From:* archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org [
> mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org
> <archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org>] *On Behalf Of *Brian
> Hoffman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:23 PM
> *To:* Archivesspace Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] ampersand issue
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> Currently unittitle gets imported as-is to the title field of resources
> and components. So when you import the example you get two records whose
> title field is "AmpTest & A”
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> We could change this so that you get "AmpTest & A” instead, but what
> happens when a user imports a unittitle like: "AmpTest &
> <emph>A<emph>”? We can’t unescape the & entity without leaving the XML
> zone, so what happens to the <emph> tag and content?
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> To me this is part of a larger still unresolved question of what exactly
> the data type of ASpace text field is supposed to be. Is it XML? If so, I
> think we should be assuming that archivists are managing XML data here, and
> it should be ‘&’. If it isn’t, and yet we still want to support inline
> styling, we need to come up with a set of rules for what kind of inline
> pseudo-markup is allowed and for how it maps to EAD on export.
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> Brian
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> On Dec 8, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick <
> Chris.Fitzpatrick at lyrasis.org> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> I think I understand..
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> So, the title is in the imported XML is
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> <unittitle>AmpTest & A</unittitle>
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> but you want the EAD converter to switch this to be "AmpTest & A"?
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> If that's the case, it seems like a pretty easy thing to add to the
> converter...
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> b,chris
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> Chris Fitzpatrick | Developer, ArchivesSpace
> Skype: chrisfitzpat | Phone: 918.236.6048
> http://archivesspace.org/
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> ------------------------------
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> *From:* archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org<
> archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org> on behalf of
> Galligan, Patrick <PGalligan at rockarch.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 6:58 PM
> *To:* Archivesspace Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] ampersand issue
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> Christine,
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> I’d like to circle back to this issue.
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> I was doing some testing with the merged pull request, and while it no
> longer just deletes the escaped character, it actually adds “&” to the
> display of the title.
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> I’ve also noticed that while it corrects the unittitle on the highest
> level, it doesn’t seem to work with series levels later.
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> Attached is a screenshot and the EAD that I imported into AS. Has anyone
> else run into this issue? Has anyone found a viable solution so far?
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> Patrick Galligan
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> Rockefeller Archive Center
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> Assistant Digital Archivist
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> 914-366-6386
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> *From:* archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org[
> mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org
> <archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org>] *On Behalf Of *Christine
> Di Bella
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2015 10:10 AM
> *To:* Archivesspace Users Group
> *Subject:* [Archivesspace_Users_Group] FW: ampersand issue
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> Forwarded for Matt Francis.
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> (I believe there has been some work on this issue very recently by the
> University of Michigan folks. See this thread on Github -
> https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/issues/332 - and the
> associated merged pull request. – Christine)
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> <https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/issues/332>
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> EAD Import - Problem with Escaped Characters · Issue #332 ·
> archivesspace/archivesspace
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> It looks like there is an issue with certain escaped characters (& and <)
> getting dropped in at least and tags. What we suspect is happening is that
> escaped characters are b...
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> Read more... <https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/issues/332>
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> *From:* MATTHEW R FRANCIS [mailto:mrf22 at psu.edu <mrf22 at psu.edu>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2015 3:20 PM
> *To:* archivesspace users group-bounces <
> archivesspace_users_group-bounces at lyralists.lyrasis.org>
> *Subject:* ampersand issue
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> All,
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> We are currently in ASpace v1.4.1 and recently observed an issue for when
> we try to import EAD files that contain ampersands in the XML, and are now
> curious if others have experienced this and/or if anyone knows a fix for
> the issue.
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> Currently when import files with an ampersand coded as "&" as seen in:
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> <image001.png>
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> The "&" does not appear to be rendered in ASpace in any form, as seen
> in:
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> <image002.png>
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> In looking through JIRA it does not appear that this specific
> issue/behavior has been reported, but before reporting it as a bug we were
> hoping to determine if this was a universal issue, or perhaps just local.
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> Thanks for the help and feedback.
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> -Matt
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> *Matt** Francis*
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> Archivist for Collection Management
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> Special Collections Library
> Penn State University
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